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		<title>By: Jesse Thompson</title>
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		<description>&quot;prophet Mohammed said: if poverty was a man i would kill him &quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Please, listen to Jesus, not Mohammed!  Here are Jesus&#039; words about poverty:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Luke 6:20“Blessed are you who are poor, for yours is the kingdom of God....27 “But I say to you who hear, Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, 28 bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you.  29 To one who strikes you on the cheek, offer the other also, and from one who takes away your cloak do not withhold your tunic [2] either. 30 Give to everyone who begs from you, and from one who takes away your goods do not demand them back. 31 And as you wish that others would do to you, do so to them.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;32 “If you love those who love you, what benefit is that to you? For even sinners love those who love them. 33 And if you do good to those who do good to you, what benefit is that to you? For even sinners do the same. 34 And if you lend to those from whom you expect to receive, what credit is that to you? Even sinners lend to sinners, to get back the same amount. 35 But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return, and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, for he is kind to the ungrateful and the evil. 36 Be merciful, even as your Father is merciful.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The Apostle Paul said this (Romans 6):&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;6:1 What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it? 3 Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;5 For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we shall certainly be united with him in a resurrection like his. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You may think I&#039;m making too much of &quot;killing&quot; the &quot;metaphorical poverty,&quot; but ask yourself, if you were that man would you agree to be killed?  Of course not! Justice is not what we want, however, so I ask you another question:  If the God who created you were that man &quot;Poverty,&quot; would you kill him?  Unfortunately, yes.  The truth is, yes, we all did kill God by our sinful refusal to worship him when he came as Jesus Christ, the man.  However, Jesus rose from the dead and forgives us of our sin when we believe in him, giving us eternal life we do not deserve.  That&#039;s good news!  If we are not forgiven, we will be condemned to eternal Hell, but those who are washed in Christ&#039;s blood, how can you then say &quot;I agree whole heartedly with your conclusion, especially with killing poverty&quot;?  Please, don&#039;t make the mistake that we can ever solve poverty this side of heaven, else you&#039;ll become just as poor as those you are trying to help, self-righteously seeking to &quot;save&quot; people when you cannot save yourself from your own sin of hatred of the poor.  Jesus himself said &quot;7 For you always have the poor with you, and whenever you want, you can do good for them. But you will not always have me.&quot;  As the &quot;truth&quot; (John 14:6), Jesus knows what he&#039;s talking about, and we ought to trust what he&#039;s saying instead of seek to prove him wrong by our own efforts at eradicating poverty.  I&#039;m not saying you don&#039;t help the poor, but don&#039;t try to get rid of &quot;poverty&quot; because in the process you&#039;ll come to hate everyone who falls under that category, even in trying to &quot;help&quot; them (Proverbs 10:18 The one who conceals hatred has lying lips,&lt;br&gt;and whoever utters slander is a fool.&quot;).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The moral is not &quot;social justice,&quot; the moral is this:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Mark 8:34 And calling the crowd to him with his disciples, he said to them, “If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. 35 For whoever would save his life [4]  will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake and the gospel&#039;s will save it. 36 For what does it profit a man to gain the whole world and forfeit his soul? 37 For what can a man give in return for his soul? 38 For whoever is ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, of him will the Son of Man also be ashamed when he comes in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.”&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It is not death for Christians to die from persecutions by Muslims, but it is hellish death for them if they consider their own lives more valuable than Muslims and seek revenge.  Romans 12:19 Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it [9] to the wrath of God, for it is written, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.” 20 To the contrary, “if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink; for by so doing you will heap burning coals on his head.” 21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Repent from believing in anything the Prophet Mohammed says and believe in the only True God, Jesus Christ, the one who can save your soul and who loves you more than anyone else, because he died for you on the cross and rose again to everlasting life!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;prophet Mohammed said: if poverty was a man i would kill him &#8220;</p>
<p>Please, listen to Jesus, not Mohammed!  Here are Jesus&#39; words about poverty:</p>
<p>Luke 6:20“Blessed are you who are poor, for yours is the kingdom of God&#8230;.27 “But I say to you who hear, Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, 28 bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you.  29 To one who strikes you on the cheek, offer the other also, and from one who takes away your cloak do not withhold your tunic [2] either. 30 Give to everyone who begs from you, and from one who takes away your goods do not demand them back. 31 And as you wish that others would do to you, do so to them.</p>
<p>32 “If you love those who love you, what benefit is that to you? For even sinners love those who love them. 33 And if you do good to those who do good to you, what benefit is that to you? For even sinners do the same. 34 And if you lend to those from whom you expect to receive, what credit is that to you? Even sinners lend to sinners, to get back the same amount. 35 But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return, and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, for he is kind to the ungrateful and the evil. 36 Be merciful, even as your Father is merciful.</p>
<p>The Apostle Paul said this (Romans 6):</p>
<p>6:1 What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it? 3 Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life.</p>
<p>5 For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we shall certainly be united with him in a resurrection like his. </p>
<p>You may think I&#39;m making too much of &#8220;killing&#8221; the &#8220;metaphorical poverty,&#8221; but ask yourself, if you were that man would you agree to be killed?  Of course not! Justice is not what we want, however, so I ask you another question:  If the God who created you were that man &#8220;Poverty,&#8221; would you kill him?  Unfortunately, yes.  The truth is, yes, we all did kill God by our sinful refusal to worship him when he came as Jesus Christ, the man.  However, Jesus rose from the dead and forgives us of our sin when we believe in him, giving us eternal life we do not deserve.  That&#39;s good news!  If we are not forgiven, we will be condemned to eternal Hell, but those who are washed in Christ&#39;s blood, how can you then say &#8220;I agree whole heartedly with your conclusion, especially with killing poverty&#8221;?  Please, don&#39;t make the mistake that we can ever solve poverty this side of heaven, else you&#39;ll become just as poor as those you are trying to help, self-righteously seeking to &#8220;save&#8221; people when you cannot save yourself from your own sin of hatred of the poor.  Jesus himself said &#8220;7 For you always have the poor with you, and whenever you want, you can do good for them. But you will not always have me.&#8221;  As the &#8220;truth&#8221; (John 14:6), Jesus knows what he&#39;s talking about, and we ought to trust what he&#39;s saying instead of seek to prove him wrong by our own efforts at eradicating poverty.  I&#39;m not saying you don&#39;t help the poor, but don&#39;t try to get rid of &#8220;poverty&#8221; because in the process you&#39;ll come to hate everyone who falls under that category, even in trying to &#8220;help&#8221; them (Proverbs 10:18 The one who conceals hatred has lying lips,<br />and whoever utters slander is a fool.&#8221;).</p>
<p>The moral is not &#8220;social justice,&#8221; the moral is this:</p>
<p>Mark 8:34 And calling the crowd to him with his disciples, he said to them, “If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. 35 For whoever would save his life [4]  will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake and the gospel&#39;s will save it. 36 For what does it profit a man to gain the whole world and forfeit his soul? 37 For what can a man give in return for his soul? 38 For whoever is ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, of him will the Son of Man also be ashamed when he comes in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.”</p>
<p>It is not death for Christians to die from persecutions by Muslims, but it is hellish death for them if they consider their own lives more valuable than Muslims and seek revenge.  Romans 12:19 Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it [9] to the wrath of God, for it is written, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.” 20 To the contrary, “if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink; for by so doing you will heap burning coals on his head.” 21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.&#8221;</p>
<p>Repent from believing in anything the Prophet Mohammed says and believe in the only True God, Jesus Christ, the one who can save your soul and who loves you more than anyone else, because he died for you on the cross and rose again to everlasting life!</p>
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		<title>By: martyrologist</title>
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		<dc:creator>martyrologist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:36:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree whole heartedly with your conclusion, especially with killing poverty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree whole heartedly with your conclusion, especially with killing poverty.</p>
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		<title>By: massil707</title>
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		<dc:creator>massil707</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:32:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>salam &lt;br&gt; what is happenening in ngeria few days ago came to confirm the sad reality of religious violence in this country. once again in the city of Jos more then 200 people have been killed this time  most of them are muslims , the next time  they could be christians but in the end its not religion who kills , its poverty and ignorance. Nigeria is a very crowded country with high unemplyment and more than 80% of its population living in poverty. then  its also a sad fact that human beings tend to demonize the &quot;other&quot; and justify sometimes discrimination against him and even to kill him, this happened in Rwanda between christians , not because christianity taught this  but because the reality on the ground fill the hearts of both sides of hatrd. and the logic of revenge make people blind and bush them to kill innocent people. the only solution to this is to teach people the values of love mercy and justice, but also to work on the ground to improve their lives because  poverty is evil. once prophet Mohammed said: if poverty was a man  i would kill him . so lets all work to kill poverty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>salam <br /> what is happenening in ngeria few days ago came to confirm the sad reality of religious violence in this country. once again in the city of Jos more then 200 people have been killed this time  most of them are muslims , the next time  they could be christians but in the end its not religion who kills , its poverty and ignorance. Nigeria is a very crowded country with high unemplyment and more than 80% of its population living in poverty. then  its also a sad fact that human beings tend to demonize the &#8220;other&#8221; and justify sometimes discrimination against him and even to kill him, this happened in Rwanda between christians , not because christianity taught this  but because the reality on the ground fill the hearts of both sides of hatrd. and the logic of revenge make people blind and bush them to kill innocent people. the only solution to this is to teach people the values of love mercy and justice, but also to work on the ground to improve their lives because  poverty is evil. once prophet Mohammed said: if poverty was a man  i would kill him . so lets all work to kill poverty.</p>
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		<title>By: martyrologist</title>
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		<dc:creator>martyrologist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 05:24:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that even being the nonviolent, loving person can end up with you dead. But I believe going the route of nonviolence will give you a better chance than acting in violence which will necessarily breed violence.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We love Voice of the Martyrs, as unfortunate as it may be for such a mag and organization to even exist. But, that&#039;s expected when we are not living like the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that even being the nonviolent, loving person can end up with you dead. But I believe going the route of nonviolence will give you a better chance than acting in violence which will necessarily breed violence.</p>
<p>We love Voice of the Martyrs, as unfortunate as it may be for such a mag and organization to even exist. But, that&#39;s expected when we are not living like the world.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason_Cormier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason_Cormier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2010 20:22:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very challenging post my friend.  Nice way to bring in the New Year.  One point of contention though:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I really do believe that you can be the nonviolent, helping person in your community and people will still want to kill you and not think twice about it.  I read about it all the time through VOM.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very challenging post my friend.  Nice way to bring in the New Year.  One point of contention though:</p>
<p>I really do believe that you can be the nonviolent, helping person in your community and people will still want to kill you and not think twice about it.  I read about it all the time through VOM.</p>
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		<title>By: Violence Nigeria Religious &#124; Religious hatred simmers in terror suspect&#8217;s homeland &#124; imacroautobots.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Violence Nigeria Religious &#124; Religious hatred simmers in terror suspect&#8217;s homeland &#124; imacroautobots.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2010 07:33:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Schleitheim » Christians Killing Muslims In Nigeria, Violence &#8230;The summary by CNN&#039;s John Blake for his story “Religious hatred simmers in terror suspect&#039;s homeland” could not have been stated better: Umar Farouk AbdulMutallab wouldn&#039;t have to go to an al Qaeda camp in Yemen to learn how to hate. He had examples closer to &#8230; Christians and Muslims have been killing each other in Nigeria for much of AbdulMutallab&#039;s lifetime. At least 10000 Nigerians have died during Christian-Muslim riots and ethnic violence during the past decade. &#8230;&#8230;[Read More] [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Schleitheim » Christians Killing Muslims In Nigeria, Violence &#8230;The summary by CNN&#39;s John Blake for his story “Religious hatred simmers in terror suspect&#39;s homeland” could not have been stated better: Umar Farouk AbdulMutallab wouldn&#39;t have to go to an al Qaeda camp in Yemen to learn how to hate. He had examples closer to &#8230; Christians and Muslims have been killing each other in Nigeria for much of AbdulMutallab&#39;s lifetime. At least 10000 Nigerians have died during Christian-Muslim riots and ethnic violence during the past decade. &#8230;&#8230;[Read More] [...]</p>
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